Death of the Pastor's Wife, RHOA Reunion and Ultimate Girls Trip

The Atlanta reunion finally wraps, the Housewives mark 20 years on the Ultimate Girls Trip, and a much-discussed new Netflix documentary gets a serious look.

Dad and Isabella open on the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion, part three, as Kelli Ferrell and Phaedra Parks spar over a divorce-lawyer bill, Angela keeps after Kelli about money and her new teeth, Porsha Williams and Shamea stay at a standoff, and Drew Sidora answers for the horse. The talk then moves to The Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip and its 20th-anniversary reunion, from Kyle Richards' white party and Luann de Lesseps' cabaret entrance to Vicki Gunvalson, plus Gizelle Bryant and Porsha working both sides of the Salt Lake City rift between Whitney Rose, Bronwyn Newport, Lisa Barlow, and Meredith Marks. Cameos pile up with Eileen Davidson, Camille Grammer, Adrienne Maloof, Teddi Mellencamp, Denise Richards, and Crystal Kung Minkoff.

Below Deck Mediterranean brings a bachelorette party for Aesha and the return of Hannah Ferrier, along with a leadership clash between Joe and Nathan and Max's family emergency in Tunisia. On Next Gen NYC, a ski-trip bedroom shuffle stirs up tension, the Ariana, Liam, and Charlie triangle comes to a head, and there is a first pairing of Riley Burruss and Rowan, Brooke Shields' daughter, plus an Emira D'Spain shady Santa.

They also dig into the new Netflix documentary Death of the Pastor's Wife, the true crime series on Mica Miller and her Myrtle Beach church, and the questions it raises. Shorter takes cover Big Brother's 1000th episode, the Jersey Shore Family Vacation roast of Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino in the show's final season, and a Trafficked binge with Mariana van Zeller. It wraps with a broader spin on the guessing game, now Name That Reality TV Star, featuring Bronwyn Newport, Scheana Shay, and Mayci Neeley.

Dad: Good afternoon.

Isabella: Good afternoon, dad. How are you?

Dad: Great. How are you doing?

Isabella: Doing well.

Dad: This is episode 13, so hopefully it's lucky 13.

Isabella: Yeah. Hopefully you guys are still with us. We got our dog Stella sitting right here with us, so if you hear any snoring come through, that might be why.

Dad: At the moment, she looks content, but that could change.

Isabella: It could. Yeah.

Dad: What do we have on the agenda for today's episode?

Isabella: We have our four Bravo shows, Atlanta Ultimate Girls, Below Deck, and Next Gen NYC. And then I have a comment on Big Brother. I have a brief comment on Jersey Shore, actually. Okay. And then we also watch we both watched the most recent Netflix documentary, Death of the Pastor's Wife.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: So we will discuss that as well, and then we're hoping to get another round of our game in today, our guessing game.

Dad: Okay. Do you to start? Jinx. Let's go with Atlanta.

Isabella: Okay. This is the reunion part three, so I know you're happy we're done.

Dad: So excited.

Isabella: I didn't have a ton of notes for this. I was hoping for more from this episode. I wrote down Drew and K. Michelle made up. They had been fighting the whole reunion. I guess they're finally like, okay.

Let's just clear the air and start over. Okay. Let's see. Kelli and Phaedra had a big a bit of a back and forth because if you remember from the season, Phaedra was agreeing to be Kelli's lawyer for her divorce or one of her lawyers in her divorce.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: And I took that in the season as we were watching, I took that as Phaedra was offering to help her for free.

Dad: I assume the same thing.

Isabella: Yeah. So Phaedra is kind of saying on the reunion, she's like, Well, I mean, you didn't pay me. And Kelli's like, Well, paid you $10,000 And Phaedra said, well, really, it you it should have cost $60,000. But, yeah, I I kind of feel like if I if we both thought that Phaedra was offering it for free, I kind of think Kelli giving her $10,000 is a bit of a bonus, unless there was some unspoken thing that we didn't see.

Dad: That's what I was going to say, is that a lot can be left on the cutting room floor in these shows. Yeah. And certainly in the reunion, Kelli was saying things that made it seem like she assumed she was going to get it for free, and when Phaedra said it would have been 60, but I wrote off 50,000, Kelli still made it seem like she was ungrateful for it.

Isabella: Yeah.

Dad: And that's a giant discount, and $60,000 for a divorce is in the realm of possibility, and I think that Kelli mentioned that her prior lawyer had charged her something like $200,000 if I am remembering correctly. That certainly can happen. I've never done that work, but I've had a client who went through a divorce and spent that much money, but it was a lot bigger stakes. Anyway, who knows what went on with the prior lawyer that she had to switch midstream? It sounds like she didn't get her money's worth, but it's interesting.

I didn't even know that Phaedra specialized in divorce, but she might

Isabella: be more of a

Dad: general practitioner and says she does a lot of everything.

Isabella: Yeah. I think it's more that. I've never heard that she specializes in divorce. I don't know if she specializes in any sort of law. I don't know if that's her main job anymore.

But

Dad: I'm guessing her main job is being on Housewives, but

Isabella: I could be But she also, she's known over the years for having multiple jobs, like she's the mortician too.

Dad: Right, right. The one thing I wrote down in my notes was that I agree with you, Andy loves Atlanta. There's something about his facial expressions on the show that is different. He's smiling, and the part that was annoying me that I wrote down, he lets them all talk at the same time for very long periods. On other shows, he will stop and say, Wait, let her finish.

Wait, let him finish. Here, there are three or four people talking over each other at the same time, and he is just smiling like a Cheshire cat, looking going back and forth like he's at center court at Wimbledon watching both sides, looking back and forth. I'm thinking, okay, it's fun to see him with that smile on his face. But on the other hand, it's annoying. Make them shut up and let one say something.

But for some reason, he just seems to revel in it.

Isabella: Yeah. This goes back to my previous complaint about do you let them go? Do you let them argue? Or do you stop them and try and get control of them more? And I think that maybe he lets a lot more go for Atlanta than he would otherwise.

I mean, I think he probably has reason for that. I think a lot of really good classic arguments have come out of Atlanta reunions, so maybe he just kind of knows that with these women, you just have to let it go a little bit more. And I guess I did see that with the mean, Angela will not leave Kelli alone. She keeps getting on her neck for being broke. And I don't know what she wants Kelli to say anymore.

Kelli's probably like, Okay.

Dad: Oh, no. She never concedes that there's any kind of financial problem.

Isabella: No, she doesn't. Even though I mean, of course, we're not going to know, but seeing Kelli, I mean, we saw her have financial issues on the show. And we saw her being real about it in the moment when she turned down a house that she knew she couldn't afford.

Dad: Right. Kudos to her for realizing that it was out of her budget. I think I commented on that on a prior episode. Was fully prepared for her to say, I'm going make this work, and then her being in bankruptcy, but she backed off and didn't do it. So that was good.

I do think that Andy called her out for accepting, what was it, dollars 60,000 for dental work for new teeth?

Isabella: Okay, yeah. I was going to mention this too. I think that's one of the things that Angela's really getting on her for is you have these brand new teeth, but you're broke. I think Angela even called her homeless at one point. Kelli, at one point, is and this is probably what you were talking about with the Andy needs to step in.

Kelli goes over and over and over again. I had to write it down because she just kept saying to Angela, Are you a big dog? Are you a big dog? Are you a big dog? They're just going back and forth.

Like, neither of them are even.

Dad: I guess I'm just so out of touch with reality, but $60,000 for teeth seems

Isabella: No. That's insane. Right.

Dad: Maybe 10,000 on your teeth and take 50 to put towards a down payment on another place to live?

Isabella: No, don't I know teeth are expensive, but hers don't even look good. I think if it's gonna be that expensive, they need to look real. And hers do not look real, that's for sure.

Dad: I know we're gonna talk about Jersey Shore later, but you'll have to tell me whether Ronnie's teeth still look insanely

Isabella: good. They're better.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: They're better. Yeah, that was a theme on the show, and I think they've even talked about it this season that it was either Vinny or Pauly D that were like, Oh, Vin or Ronnie, your teeth look great. You don't look like they were calling him some sort of character before, Well, but

Dad: we'll get back to that. Yeah, we will. That's all I had about Atlanta, but I'm also very reluctant to take down notes because I just get so fed up about it.

Isabella: Yeah. I I had a couple more things to say. I thought it was funny when Kelli is talking about Drew and goes, Porsha, get your naked models, please. And Porsha's like, They're they're fine. They got this.

Drew oh, Drew ended up apologizing for the horse. She was like, Yeah, that was dumb. Like, it wasn't even me who brought it. I guess she said her hairstylist brought it out. Yes.

Which clearly, her hairstylist is connected to her, unless it's one of these hairstylists that does all the women's hair. Don't We've had that in the past.

Dad: I took it that it was her person, and I'm pretty sure that Andy called her out about it. The way he asked the question, like, how was it that you pretended not to know that this horse was coming? That was great.

Isabella: Yeah. And I think she didn't really concede that, but she did apologize.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: She was like, yeah, I'm sorry about the horse. I don't really know what happened there. And then I kind of feel like the rest of the episode was pretty focused on the Porsha and Shamea stuff. Now Porsha was very what's the word I'm looking for? Porsha was very staunch.

She was that's

Dad: not the word. Steadfast?

Isabella: She was very steadfast in not wanting to talk about her mother or her daughter. So Andy was trying to bring up kind of how the whole Porsha and Shamea argument happened in Ireland when Shamea was saying, Oh, well, I still see Pilar, who's Porsha's daughter, because of Dennis, who's Pilar's father. Porsha, obviously, in that moment in Ireland was pissed. She was like, Do not talk about my daughter. We're not going there.

And she's keeping the same energy in the reunion. She's like, Andy, I'm not doing this. We're not talking about this. After that, there kind of wasn't much more to say. They kind of wrapped up the season, and Porsha and Shamea are not gonna be friends.

I think they've decided they're going to try to be civil, which is what they were already doing to an extent.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: Oh, the other thing is they never brought up the husbands.

Dad: Oh, interesting.

Isabella: The husbands were there. Maybe not all of them, but Angela's husband, I think, was there.

Dad: He would have been the one I wanted to hear from. Yeah. Then He's my only favorite Charles that makes sense. The character on the show. He just is so low key and everything he says is kind of great.

He could have his own show, except it would be very low little bit of that.

Isabella: No, I definitely thought it was weird because I can't even tell you who exactly was there, but I remember husbands being there. I know not all of them have husbands, but I was I felt like they were dressed up too, so maybe they did come out, but it just wasn't interesting enough and they cut the whole section.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: I don't know. But I was waiting on that and I was like, oh, it's over and the husbands never came out. Okay.

Dad: Maybe they came out, was just so boring that they just cut it.

Isabella: Isn't that what I just said?

Dad: Yeah. I was thinking of the next segment already. Sorry.

Isabella: Okay. Alright. Well, on that note then, should we move on?

Dad: Sure. How about ultimate girls' trip, UGT?

Isabella: Okay, I had a lot of notes for this.

Dad: I have some. Can I start?

Isabella: Go for it.

Dad: All right. When Kyle was having her white party, the only thing that came to my mind is, okay, given where we are in today's life and today, white party, the first thing comes to mind is p diddy. So maybe people shouldn't have white parties anymore. It's kind of he ruined it for everyone, and maybe that's just me that I shouldn't be thinking that, but it's the first thing that came to my mind, so I had to write down white party should be passe at the moment.

Isabella: I didn't even think about that, but that's a good point.

Dad: And then at first it was like, Why is Meredith Marks there? Then they showed Whitney and Bronwyn, and I'm guessing for logistical purposes, they wanted to have this RHOSLC, Salt Lake City ladies there, and it was just easier to have them in LA than to make a separate stop in Salt Lake City. I don't know. Luann's entrance and singing left a lot to be desired until I realized that her dancers were the bushes and that was an homage to So her falling in the I've got to give her a lot of credit for that. And then I wrote down Vicki is just so clueless.

She is she's not we talked about this before, not self aware, doesn't get it. And her and Luann having a discussion I thought was classic. Luann has her faults, but in that moment, I really gave credit to Luann and was just so frustrated with Vicki. And then my last comment, and this is sort of an overarching, I thought the episode was boring. It was too many flashbacks, and the show is starting to remind me of the Saturday Night Live fiftieth year reunion or similar things like that where they're just it's self laudatory, where instead of having real material, they're just like harkening back and having so many cameo appearances that it just ruins everything.

And unlike the Saturday Night Live fiftieth year reunion music concert, that thing was amazing. But the actual skits, horrible. And so I don't I know I'm stretching here to draw this analogy, but they just keep trying to say, like, look how it's a retrospective. Look how great this whole franchise or all these franchises are. Okay.

I yeah. I wanna see the drama. Like, put them back put them on the bus and let's see them fight with each other. That's the point of having all these big dog OG ladies is to see them interact, not like, I don't care about what happened twenty years ago anymore, especially because those are some of the seasons I didn't watch. So big time stream of conscious I just blurted out too.

Isabella: Yeah. I disagree.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: I don't disagree with your point about, like, yes, we have all these big Doghousewives, Like, we need them to we need the drama between them, but it's not like we haven't gotten that. I think this episode you didn't like as much because there were more cameos, but I love that. Like, I love to see people like Eileen Davidson and have a flashback to the Amsterdam fight with the You Beast. We had I wrote down some of the names that we had because I was like, Oh my gosh. That's her, and that's her, and oh my gosh, she hasn't been here forever.

And we had Crystal Kung Minkoff, Camille Grammer, Meredith Marks, as you mentioned, Adrian Malouf, she's an OG, Teddi Mellencamp, Denise Richards. We had Kevin Lee, who's the party planner who

Dad: was Wait, Teddi was on there? I thought she was sick.

Isabella: She is.

Dad: And she was still on there?

Isabella: She was there. Yes.

Dad: That's how little I was paying attention.

Isabella: Kevin Lee, who used to work with Lisa Vanderpump on all her parties, with Whitney and Bronwyn showing up, which I think, to your point, yes, I think Salt Lake City is closer to Beverly Hills, which makes it easier. But I also think I think maybe there was a memo sent out for all these Bravo Housewives saying, Hey, we're gonna be filming for the ultimate girls trip in these locations on these dates. We'd love for you to come to one or more than one of them, whichever you can make, which we see we know Heather from Salt Lake is gonna be in Atlanta next episode. So I think that's kind of more how they did it. They were probably like, We'd love for you all.

And we do know that well, guess I we don't know for sure, but Dorinda at the end of the season is going to have this big party where I think everybody's invited. So we'll see if Meredith Marks and Whitney and Bronwyn make it to that two, or maybe they were all just required to to pick one. I don't know, but

Dad: I just think that we're missing out on some of that interaction, not just the drama, but as Gizelle was talking about I can't remember who she was talking about, but she bringing up how the Salt Lake City girls all hate Meredith and Lisa. And she said, Look, Whitney's my girl, because they got to know each other. Yeah, she's talking to Porsha. And she was saying, Well, I got to know her on last season of Ultimate Girls Trip. That I'm not seeing that yet because they're just having these artificial mini reunions instead of putting them on a beach someplace like they did last season and making those them interact more anyway.

Isabella: Well, clearly, this show is meant to serve multiple purposes. It's yes, it's an ultimate girls trip, but it's also a twentieth anniversary celebration.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So they're doing both. Back to Porsha and Gizelle, they were my favorite part of the episode. I thought it was so funny when Gizelle or no, when Porsha and Gizelle, they walk into this white party, and Porsha's like, Where are all the black people? I brought the pepper to this party. I thought that was a funny line.

Oh, by the way, lots of Lisa Vanderpump and Lisa Rinna references and throwbacks, neither of them are to be seen. I think it's expected from Lisa Vanderpump. Lisa and Kyle are still not cool, but I kind of thought that Lisa Rinna would maybe show up. I mean, she's been on Traitors. Like, she's not ousted from Bravo, so I thought maybe she would show up.

Dorit wasn't there either, which makes sense because Dorit and Kyle can't stand each other.

Dad: It could also be contractual. Contractual. Maybe they wanted Lisa Rinna to be on there, but she was pushing for more money than Bravo was willing to pay.

Isabella: It could be, but it's not like Lisa Rinna signing up to film a whole season. She's just agreeing to one night.

Dad: Right. I know.

Isabella: Yeah. I guess, yeah, she probably charges an appearance fee. So back to Porsha and Gizelle, them just trying to mess with the Salt Lake City women all night and try to figure out what the deal is there was funny. They're scheming in the car about what they're going to do in Atlanta with Heather and

Dad: Thank goodness.

Isabella: Yeah. They're funny together, Porsha and Gizelle. They were just kind of running back and forth between the two groups, and they got Lisa and Meredith's side of the story, and then they got Whitney and Bronwyn's side of the story. It seems like they're kind of seeing both sides, but like we said, they're both they're both Porsha and Gizelle are friends with Whitney and Heather from the previous season. Right.

And they're also becoming friends with Lisa on this current season.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So they're kind of in the middle of, like, I don't really know who we should believe right now. But I'm excited to see how that plays out because they're just being messy.

Dad: And with Gizelle's facial expressions and shock at how big the divide is between the two camps on Salt Lake City, for her to raise her eyebrows and be that shocked, given what she and Porsha have experienced on their own shows, puts in perspective how much those two groups hate each other.

Isabella: Yeah. Which, I mean, So I she's can't wait

Dad: for Salt Lake City,

Isabella: which starts

Dad: The sixteenth.

Isabella: Okay, yeah. Starts soon. Oh, goes back to the point of Lisa crying a couple episodes ago about how it's never this fun on her show. Think I that all kind of plays together, because Gizelle and Porsha are obviously seeing like, Oh, these women hate each other.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: Whitney is saying that no one in Salt Lake City speaks to Lisa and Meredith. I don't know, Whitney. I mean, maybe your friends don't, but to say no one in Salt Lake City seems dramatic.

Dad: Definitely exaggerating.

Isabella: Yeah. Okay. Luann's performance. I mean, it it does remind me of and they showed this flashback of when they're in I forgot where they were on Real Housewives of New York, but they were going to see, I guess, one of her cabaret shows. And there's this scene of her walking up to the theater or whatever and seeing her poster.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: And she just stands there and goes, Wow. She's just so proud of herself. And I think she asked someone to take her picture in front of it, and it really reminded me of that, just very much full of herself, Luann.

Dad: On that point, I'm glad you mentioned it because it reminded me, I just shat all over Vicki, but in the car after the event, Vicki getting sick of Luann talking about herself, I was on Vicki's side.

Isabella: Yeah. That was

Dad: just thinking like, Oh my gosh, Luann, get She's not self aware at that moment. She just sits, Oh, look at this video, and then let's sing my song. And Vicki's face, I thought her head was going to explode. And the way she opens her eyes bug eyed, I was shocked that she didn't say anything there, and maybe she did.

Isabella: Yeah. And I don't often compare someone to NeNe Leakes, but those kind of reaction faces that Vicki gives, it is a little bit NeNe esque. Right. Because NeNe is the best with the reaction faces. So, yeah, I agree.

That was funny. Vicki thinks Luann doesn't like her. I don't know what's gonna happen between those two. And then the I think this is the last thing I had, but Lisa when Mauricio comes in, Lisa Barlow goes up to him and says, happy anniversary. And it's so awkward.

We see the clip, and I I think I think Vicki also said something like that. And Gizelle and Porsha are the ones that are like, Why would she say that? They're recapping in the car on the way back, which is funny. Gizelle and Porsha are just the comedic relief on this show.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So, yeah, they're talking about, like, why would Lisa say that to Mauricio? They're not together.

Dad: Awkward.

Isabella: Yeah, very awkward. So they're traveling to Atlanta next week. We're gonna see NeNe Leaks tonight. It's Sunday. When you're listening to this, it will already be out.

But, I mean, NeNe has posted a video about her, like, hyping up her return to Bravo, that she's coming back this week. So she yeah. Bravo's posted stuff. NeNe Leakes is back. She's on Bravo this week.

We already saw her for the first episode, but I think they're just hyping it up. Like, no, she's really going to get into the drama this week.

Dad: I hope it's not one of these where they hype it up and then the actual episode is let down.

Isabella: It could be. And I feel like you I feel like your expectations are higher than mine sometimes. You're just pickier about it. I am. I do sometimes feel like don't

Dad: it's gonna be good, and then it sucks, or it's selective editing.

Isabella: I'm gonna be annoyed. It's fair. I just I don't know. I think sometimes

Dad: Old man stuff.

Isabella: You get more annoyed with these shows than I do, even though you still like them.

Dad: Yeah. So Below Deck Med?

Isabella: Below Deck Med. Okay. First thing I want to say about this is I really hate that I have to watch Nathan on the show. Like, after what we know about him, it's, like, it's not as fun to watch him anymore. It's just kind of I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it's a little bit bleak.

Dad: Yes. No. With what's coming out outside of the show, it is very disconcerting, and I'm still surprised because the timing is I I went I did something I normally don't do. I looked up what was going on, and he got in trouble in December, so before recording for the show.

Isabella: No. Not before recording, Before the show came out. They had already filmed when it happened, I'm pretty sure.

Dad: I don't know about that.

Isabella: The show is not turned around that quick,

Dad: I don't think.

Isabella: I know,

Dad: but it was December 2025.

Isabella: Maybe. I don't know. I'd have look into how quickly the show is done. I kind of think sometimes it's like a year turnaround.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: Because I do know that they were filming Below Deck couple weeks ago when the Summerhouse crew came on. And we know from their schedule that that's gonna come out in the spring. So it's Fair almost a year. Don't know. It could be different.

But fair, fair. Yes. Either way, I think that I do kind of wish that the editors would cut him out a little bit more now. I know that's maybe a lot to ask, but I don't know. I just I'm grossed out by him on the screen.

I really am, especially when he's talking about his child and his and Gael.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: It's oh, it just kind of gives me the heebie jeebies now. I don't like it at all. But other than that, I thought throwing a bachelorette party for Aesha was cute. She seemed really, really excited. I like that they brought in Hannah.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: Do you remember Hannah?

Dad: Oh, yeah. I was confident that she had been kicked off the show because she got found with a vape pen, and it was probably weed.

Isabella: No, it was weed. Okay, yes. Because she got

Dad: kicked I saying off was the boat one for the trough. Yes. Then I was in I already told you this. I was inspired by the noodles because they do always show Aesha eating noodles, especially at the end of a night of drinking, and it reminded me of eating ramen Prides when I was in college and later.

Isabella: Oh, Prides?

Dad: That was the name of the brand of ramen They don't make them anymore, so I

Isabella: just just know Top Ramen.

Dad: I went online and found a comparable version and bought like 20 packs of it, which your mother is going to blow her lid when she sees them stacked in the cupboard. But I had two yesterday, and so it brought back old memories.

Isabella: Oh, God.

Dad: It's so sad.

Isabella: Yeah, mom is gonna be pissed about this. She's gonna be like, Why do you need

Dad: Why on earth would you buy 20 of these? Well, that's the smallest order you can get. Is it? 11

Isabella: You know they sell them at Publix.

Dad: I know, but I'm too lazy to go home.

Isabella: Yeah, of course you are. Oh, geez. Okay. I also wrote down I don't remember what prompted me to write this down, but that Nathan was never in it for the team. He was he's bosun, but I don't think he was ever he was always in it for himself, which maybe I mean, of course he was.

He has to make money for his family. But I think that Joe is more, Oh, here's what it was. Joe is kind of talking about how they've got this process down for the water toys. Nathan comes back in and is like, No, we're not doing that. And I'm like, Okay.

Realistically, if Joe made this process and it works better, is Nathan's This is just an ego problem.

Dad: Absolutely.

Isabella: Like, he wants to be the one who's right, and Joe is trying to beat And I have my issues with Joe, I've had issues with him in the past. I think he's great this season. If he's come up with a better process that helps everybody on the boat, use it.

Dad: Yes. And it's really turned around because at the beginning I thought Joe was being sneaky and trying to take over and subvert Nathan's authority and ability, and I was kind of on Nathan's side, taking the At the beginning. Right. And this was before the news came out.

Isabella: Yeah.

Dad: And then now seeing Joe actually do it and do it better, and the team seems to like him more because they point out, Hey, he can communicate with us. So I've completely turned around and think that, yes, Nathan is a snake, not just off camera, but on camera, and we'll see how that turns out this week.

Isabella: Yeah. So I was with you at the beginning of the season. I had always liked Nathan. I was definitely team Nathan, especially after Joe was last season, where he really let on this girl and made her believe that he was in love with her and then hooked up with another girl on the boat.

Dad: Well, that wasn't just last season. It was also

Isabella: Yeah, the season but the last season was especially bad because he really made her believe that he cared.

Dad: He had honed his crafts.

Isabella: He really did. So coming into the season, yeah, I was very much team Nathan. And I'm obviously not team Nathan anymore for multiple reasons. But even if we pretended that what has come out about him did not happen, I think I would have changed my mind as soon as Nathan sent Max that text saying, Hey, if you have my back, I'll promote you to lead deckhand. As soon as that happened, I was like, Oh, no.

Nathan's the bad guy here.

Dad: Yes. And I'm already, just like every one of these shows, I'm already thinking forward and hoping that they have a reunion, which, as we've discussed, is much more difficult for Below Deck. Some But of I these things, I can't would love to see Andy call them out, like, Hey, how about the text you sent? Did you know that?

Isabella: Yeah. Well, the thing is, Nathan's never gonna be asked that now. If they were to have any sort of reunion Oh, you're right. He's He won't not gonna be on there. He won't be invited.

He will not be on Watch What Happens Live at this point. Right. Even if they film and I know they do Watch What Happens Live is not always live.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: They filmed some of them beforehand. Even if they already did that, they're never airing it.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So we're never gonna get an answer on that.

Dad: Not from him, but they'll talk behind his back if they have a reunion.

Isabella: Yeah. Here's the thing. I don't think they're going to have a reunion. What they usually do is they'll bring them all on Watch What Happens Live just separately, and then they'll ask them there, like, Okay, well, what's the status now? They've done that with Cooper and Cat.

They've had each one on the show, and Cat has said I mean, we kind of know now, spoiler alert if you didn't, that Cat and Cooper are not together.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: We found that out from Watch What Happens Live, whereas usually you'd probably find that out from the reunion. Yes. So it works both ways a little bit. The last thing I had to say about this episode was Max the whole thing with Max's father being stuck in Tunisia, and he's telling Captain Sandy that he has to go out there and rescue him, that his father's basically being held for ransom, it sounds like.

Dad: I wasn't following that, but that's what it sounded like to me. It just occurred to me, what if it's one of these AI fake things and he's falling for it? Maybe. That would be interesting.

Isabella: Well, that's what I want to hear from him about. We didn't have a Watch What Happens Live last week, but maybe he'll be on it this week. I need to know, did he go? Did he try and do something about it? What happened?

Was it a scam? I kind of need to know more now.

Dad: I'm surprised you haven't seen anything on social media or otherwise about it.

Isabella: I guess he probably had well, I think I actually did see an Instagram post from him maybe making reference to that, but it wasn't like he shared anything about it.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: Like, think it was he posted something after the episode of, like, him maybe on the boat still.

Dad: Okay. To be continued.

Isabella: Yeah. That I don't know what's gonna happen. Sandy was right that he should call the French embassy. Like, don't go there yourself. Call someone to deal with that, especially if he said that he's not close to his dad at all.

I get it's your father, but I don't know. Are you going to risk your life to go save a father that has neglected you your whole life?

Dad: Right. Don't know What does he what I think he can do?

Isabella: Yeah. All right. Next. Next. Next Gen NYC.

Yes. So we've got a ski trip being planned by Liam. There are only five bedrooms and quite a few people. So there's a lot of tension surrounding these bedrooms, which let me just say, this is one of my favorite arguments on these shows. This one wasn't great.

There wasn't that much drama. But we've seen, like, a petty stupid argument about who's getting the best bedroom is always entertaining to me.

Dad: It's almost like it's on a checklist when they have the trips. Like, you will have an argument over who sleeps where, but normally you have to wait until you show up to start it. Here they were talking about it in advance, and I agree with you. It looked like it was going to be Charlie putting his foot down and causing some sort of scene, and then it fizzled out. They just it seemed like a nothing burger.

Isabella: Yeah. It seemed like maybe a few people were having issues, which they kind of made reference to. Were they did say as soon as they got there, the room thing was solved. Right. But then they did like a behind the scene or someone said like, well, I mean, kind of.

And they showed, like, a couple extra clips of people being like, why am I here? And blah blah blah blah blah. I guess there was a bunk room. And let me just say that I've been on a couple of bachelorette trips before with kind of rooming situations similar to this where there are, like, five bedrooms and maybe 12 girls. The thing is, though, I'm obviously not on reality TV.

I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. But I will say that when I know that I'm going to be staying in a house like this, I do I am curious about where my bedroom is, where have I been placed. Like, I like to know that ahead of time, not because I'm going do anything about it, just because I like to know. Right.

Dad: Gizelle would have never stood for that. She would have had a room at the Ritz already booked.

Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the housewives are a little bit different because they're older women, and they think that they're more entitled to their own rooms, and they have more money so they can afford a nicer place like the Ritz Carlton. I think it's different here, a little bit different here, because they're younger and I don't know. Oh, Emira tried to plan a shady Santa, which I kind of think didn't really play out how she wanted it to.

I think she thought it was gonna be a moment, and it wasn't a moment.

Dad: No. I think she asked one question, and then nothing else happened.

Isabella: Yeah. See, I wrote that down in my notes because I'm thinking, Oh, that's gonna be good. We're gonna get drama from that. And then fast forward and, No, not really. Oh, I really like the duo.

This is the first time we've seen these two together of Riley and Rowan. Riley, Kandi Burruss' daughter, Rowan is Brooke Shields' daughter. They went to New Jersey to do, like, their to practice. They went to some I guess there's a mall in New Jersey that has fake snow. New Jersey people let us know more about that because that's crazy.

But, yeah, they went to go practice their skiing skills, and they're funny together. I want to see more of those too.

Dad: And weren't they talking to each other during the dinner or something and they were just kind of ignoring the rest? They were commenting about what else was going on or am I thinking about a different episode?

Isabella: You you might be right. There, I mean, there are a couple of things I miss too. Oh, Ariana. This is another big Ariana episode with Charlie versus Liam. We see Brielle again, Ariana's older sister, Brielle.

Brielle seems to really like Liam. Brielle's talking about, oh, I know what he got you for Christmas. Like, he really, really cares about you. So apparently they're planning on spending Christmas together, Ariana and Liam.

Dad: They were planning on.

Isabella: Were, yeah, I guess.

Dad: I don't want to jump to the ending, but whenever you're ready to get to that part. The ending where he

Isabella: Liam. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I I had a is silly, but Gia's sleep mask.

Did you see what it said? No. It said, We're waking up in the morning. Which, I mean, she has capitalized on. I think she's made her own clothing brand based on that.

So that tracks, but I thought it was funny. My main point about Charlie generally is he knows exactly what he's doing here.

Dad: Oh, a

Isabella: 100 He knows, and now at this point, I don't think anything happened between the two of them.

Dad: I think he conceded that in the episode.

Isabella: Yeah, but he's not really conceding it, though. Like, I feel like he's still kind of making hints at, oh, but maybe, maybe not.

Dad: No, he said something like, Nothing happened, but if it did, I wouldn't tell you, which is maybe what

Isabella: Yeah, you're getting which is just just leave it at nothing happened. But it's clear to me that I think nothing happened, and Charlie is using this to piss off Liam. I think Charlie still does want Ariana and is trying to play a little bit of a game to get her away from Liam and over to him.

Dad: Here's a take that you might find surprising from an old man in that Charlie was pointing out the fact that, hey, Ariana called me and came over to my house or my apartment in New York at 01:30 in the morning. That's clearly a sign that she wants me. A couple of response to that. Number one, she didn't come over alone. She specifically said she was bringing friends.

Number two, she said, I'm coming over for a sesh. They all conceded it was to smoke pot. And I thought it was unfair for some of her friends to say, Well, I mean, it was 01:30 in the morning.

Isabella: Yeah.

Dad: They live in New York City, and they go out till all hours of the morning. It may not be that inconvenient. She did show up friends with friends, and that's why she was going was to smoke weed.

Isabella: And let's also keep in mind, Ariana had just gotten off probation.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So maybe she did have a couple weeks where she was partying quite a bit.

Dad: But it goes to the point of what I'm getting at is that if that was a guy, no one would have ever said anything otherwise. And so they're treating her differently as a friend and making kind of a broader point like women and men can't be friends. Or if they are, they can't act like any other friends because if one of his boys came over at that time, it's a non issue. There's it's essentially saying like, okay. Well, women and men can be friends, but if you do certain things, then we're still gonna call you out as if you're more than a friend or that you're acting a certain way.

And I just thought it was, okay. That's not fair. Women and men can be friends and do stuff like other people do, and it's just the same as two guys hanging out.

Isabella: Yeah. I do think it would have been a lot weirder if Ariana showed up there alone.

Dad: Of course she didn't.

Isabella: That's not what happened.

Dad: Still doesn't mean anything happens.

Isabella: Right. But were her friend and that happened, I would question it for sure.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: I will give Liam a lot of credit. Now, I wouldn't blame Liam for questioning this. I wouldn't blame him at all. If I were him, I probably would be like, Okay, but, like, what really happened? He's not really doing that.

He is like, No, Charlie's cool. They're friends. I track her location. I knew where she was. She told me about it.

Right. So, yeah. Awesome, Liam. Liam hasn't done a single thing wrong in my book.

Dad: Well, until can we now get to Yes. The

Isabella: can So get

Dad: at the end where he was annoyed that she was up and he was in bed and she was laughing probably at Charlie's jokes because I think he can be funny.

Isabella: He is funny.

Dad: And then he got up to find that that was the case. Then when she comes to bed at something like four in the morning, he's like, Let's talk. And then he drops the L bomb on her. And I still think it's relatively early days. Yeah.

And that's a lot. And I thought he was going to try to backtrack and say, Hey, I was wasted. I said that and I probably overstepped or overshared. But now he doubled down on the confessional and didn't back off that at all.

Isabella: Then we're left with

Dad: the cliffhanger that she has this face that doesn't seem like that was well received.

Isabella: No. I mean, the problem is that was clear to me from Liam. I mean, when a man acts like that and is that obsessed, he's in love.

Dad: Well, you don't have to be in love to act that obsessed. Obsessed might be too strong. He was just going out of his way to be very nice saying we're getting along, this is great, and I was thinking, okay, maybe there is something there and I'm happy for them because wow, this seems to be who knows what's going on, and they're just kind of downplaying it, but then it's pretty clear that they were not on the same page.

Isabella: For sure. I think I think the problem is too that Liam is not recognizing is Ariana was pretty recently out of a very long term relationship, like since high school.

Dad: Yes.

Isabella: And they got back together after that. I think now we don't know the exact timeline, but what I'm guessing is that Liam saying this scared Ariana away. Maybe a month or two goes by, Ariana gets back with Hudson, and then they break up again. Now I don't know you probably haven't seen this, but I've seen on social media someone was doing an interview with Liam, and Liam is kind of indicating that he and Ariana are talking again.

Dad: Okay. All this stuff is news to me because I don't know anything that's going on outside of the show.

Isabella: That's fair. Okay. Well, is some context for you. I don't know again, I don't know the timeline, but we know Ariana got back with Hudson at one point.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: And we know they've since broken up again. And we also know from Liam that Liam and Ariana are talking again. Now, do we think do we know what that means? Liam might think that it's a serious thing, and Ariana could just see it as friends. We don't know now.

Things could be completely different.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: But we'll see. I think they will have a reunion. I don't know how many more episodes we have, but I think we're gonna find some stuff out at a reunion.

Dad: Yes. So Is that all you have for that one?

Isabella: That is all I have for that.

Dad: So that's the Bravo wrap up. You wanna jump to Big Brother?

Isabella: Yeah. Let me I have a couple things to say that you for things that you don't watch.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: I'll start with Big Brother. I don't have a ton to say about Big Brother, but I do wanna say I wanna air a grievance that I have.

Dad: Oh, taking a page out of my book.

Isabella: Yeah. So Big Brother, it's it's three episodes a week. One on Sunday, Wednesday, and Thursday. The Sunday one is the head of household competition. The Wednesday is the veto competition, and the Thursday is eviction night where they vote someone out live.

They've decided that they want to add an episode on a on Friday nights to be like, oh, Big Brother Unlocked, to show, like, behind the scenes and have, like, former players talking and all. I don't care about that, so I don't watch that. Now what they've started to try to do is to add that episode to the beginning of the Sunday episode. So they're forcing us to sit and watch this. Now I fast forward through it, but I've been having issues with Xfinity that makes it harder to You don't need to know the background on that, but it's so much extra fluff that I don't care about.

To add on to that, we just had, on the Wednesday episode, it was Big Brother's one thousandth episode ever.

Dad: Oh my god.

Isabella: Which, yeah, that's pretty crazy. They had Guinness World Records come out and give them a plaque. But, yeah, the whole half of the episode, I was like, I don't care at all about their previous seasons. Not to say I haven't watched the previous seasons, and yeah, it is a little bit of nostalgia that maybe you could compare to Ultimate Girls Trip.

Dad: I was gonna say

Isabella: But it's like I an interesting care as much about the nostalgia for this show. I'm sorry. I love the show. I don't care as much about the nostalgia. So maybe people love that.

I don't. I get plenty of the show in three episodes. So but I'm still gonna say this season's still entertaining. Like, I'm I'm enjoying it. So that's where I'll leave that.

And then I wanna say something about Jersey Shore. For those that don't know, obviously, you know Jersey Shore, but you might not know that they've been they've had a show since then called Jersey Shore Family Vacation. I think that we've both been watching it kind of on and off. You're

Dad: more off.

Isabella: Yeah, you're off, and you've been off for like a couple years now. I've been watching it, but it's kind of more a show that I will just throw on when I'm doing something else. You know? They had an episode recently, however, this past week, and it was the Jersey Shore roast in the similar style to other roasts, like the roast of Tom Brady that you've It good because it really was just the roast. And you had comedians coming in.

I think we had Justina Valentine.

Dad: And they were roasting Mike the Situation.

Isabella: Yes. Okay. So it was the roast of Mike the Situation who they were celebrating his ten year anniversary being sober, which is very impressive, by the way. I mean, he was on some hardcore drugs. So, like, really good for him for getting his life together and keeping it that way for ten years.

Awesome. The roast was fun. It made me laugh quite a bit, which is more than I can say for all the other episodes of this show. The show overall is not worth watching. But this one episode, I was very much entertained by.

So I have to give them credit. This is the final season of the show. It's gonna end after this. I kind of think MTV's gonna go under soon.

Dad: Okay.

Isabella: I mean, think the downfall of MTV has happened over the last ten years, really, but it's been, like I think it's picking up now. I don't I can't think of a single show that I still watch on MTV besides this Jersey Shore and occasionally when they have The Challenge on there. They used to have so many shows like The Real World and Are You The One. Do you remember that show? And even like Floribama Shore,

Dad: Oh, I that was good.

Isabella: Yeah. They used to have so many good shows. Even their scripted shows, I used to watch This Might Be A Little Bit More Niche for People, but Awkward, and you wouldn't have watched

Dad: No idea where

Isabella: you're I lived on MTV as it when I was in middle school, I watched that was my favorite channel, was MTV. Not middle school,

Dad: This is an interesting generational thing is that people from my generation watched MTV like they listened to music. Would just have the it initially was only videos for music.

Isabella: I wish it went back to that, honestly. How think they would people

Dad: even do videos anymore?

Isabella: Of course they do, yeah. We were watching music videos just a couple weeks ago.

Dad: I know, but is there a central location that people watch where it will rotate kind of like the radio, where you're not in charge do you need go to physically pick your

Isabella: That's why they should do it again. That's how they can bring it back is just go back to music videos, because I'd throw it on, you know, if If I'm you're working, thinking that I'd Spotify throw it

Dad: or Apple Music would watch the videos and then just pick a genre or channel, and it will show the videos sort that of like

Isabella: I'm add not to sure it would do a random loop like that. You'd have to like, right now, if I want to go watch a music video, I'm going to YouTube and searching for the one I want. Right. Okay. There's nowhere that I well, I guess there are those music choice channels, but they're not videos.

It's just music.

Dad: So

Isabella: I don't know. I kind of think that maybe MTV, clearly if they thought that that was going to be profitable, they'd probably do it. There's got to be a reason they're not. But I don't know. I'd like it to go back to there.

If they can't have all the good shows, then at least go back to what it was intended for in the first place.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: So it's sad to me because there really were some good shows on that channel, and it's going to go under, I think. But whatever.

Dad: Okay, you want to do name that Bravalebrity?

Isabella: What about Pastor's Wife?

Dad: Oh my gosh, you're right. Okay, let's do it.

Isabella: I don't have a ton to say, but I'll let you start.

Dad: I thought it was good. A little bit of a spoiler. There's no final resolution by the end of the show. I think there are three episodes. Again, this is Death of the Pastor's Wife on Netflix, very new.

I had a couple of observations. One, I have a slight concern that people will watch us and say, oh my gosh, look what happens with these Christian groups that they do this to people. And I wanted to a point out that I like the fact that people in small groups, whether they're Christian or some other religion, get together and they all have, like, valid reasons of wanting to support each other and help each other, come up with a way to live a better life. The problem is that there is human nature, and unfortunately, there are people out there who want to prey on these good intentions. The pastor in this situation, this show, is a primary example of one of those.

I just don't want people to hold the entire congregation responsible for what the pastor does. Yes. They probably could have known what was going on or cared more, but it's hard to see what how much information that they have because they have fallen victim to the pastor, and they believe him and his view on what's going on, or at least his statements about what's going on. And it's just so unfortunate to see a broad group of well intentioned, well meaning people to be taken advantage of and used.

Isabella: I agree that, obviously, this is a church, it's a community, their intentions are good. I think a lot of these pastors at megachurches, not all of them, but does seem to be a theme sometimes is I think they get very big egos.

Dad: Huge.

Isabella: Yeah. And they think that they can get away with anything. The way that this man was abusing this poor woman, first off, they I don't want to give too much away for people that haven't watched it, but she marries this guy at 18 we mentioned. This guy is another member of her church, but not the pastor. But she's very close with the pastor, and she and the pastor end up having an affair.

They end up getting married, and then the abuse gets pretty pretty scary. There were some things that came out that are pretty horrific that I'm not gonna state plainly here, but physical abuse, psychological abuse, coercive control. Right. Yeah, all that stuff. This man is still cheating on her.

He's sleeping with all these other women. And I'm pretty sure the church does find out about it. She speaks up. Like, she files for divorce, I guess, and starts speaking up. She starts speaking up to other people in the church.

And this is where I have a problem, is the church did know, maybe not the full extent of what was going on, but the church knew what was going on.

Dad: Well, I'm sure people congregation knew something, but there's no way they knew the full extent.

Isabella: No, and that's what I'm saying.

Dad: And whatever they knew, they're still getting it filtered from him. He's the source of most of the information, and he's standing on stage saying she's having psychotic break. And so that means anything that she says or posts, they're probably going to take with some skepticism.

Isabella: Yeah. I'm

Dad: not defending them. Just saying I personally I get

Isabella: wouldn't have gotten that far at this church anyway because as soon as that man got up there and started saying, It's ungodly for a wife to not please her husband whenever he wants and every day and multiple times a day, and he will find it elsewhere, and that's your godly duty and blah blah blah blah blah. I mean, the amount of clips where he talked about this, and clearly it was a very passionate topic for him, I would have stood up and walked out the first time he said anything like that.

Dad: That's a great point. It is mind blowing. If you watch this documentary, and each time you see him giving a sermon, you're saying, Wow, that is out there.

Isabella: He's saying some gross things.

Dad: Right, but just get ready. As soon as you think you've seen something crazy, there will be another sermon, and it will be crazier. Yeah. That's a great point that some of the stuff was so out there, I don't get why people in the audience or in the congregation were saying, Wait a minute, that doesn't sound Yeah.

Isabella: Of course I can sympathize with people that maybe don't know the whole truth, maybe don't know what's going on behind the scenes, But we also I mean, she, the woman who was being abused, went and spoke with the church elders, who she's saying Or they're all saying that the church elders are the ones that have the ability to kind of get rid of this pastor.

Dad: And they chose old church. The woman that came in that was kind of like the outside consultant to try to bring some stability, she was the one that said she went to the elders, and this church was structured in a way they had no power. So I'm guessing that the husbandpastor created the church and structured it in a way that he's the ultimate decision maker, and the elders are just kind of window dressing.

Isabella: Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. It just the whole thing just was not a great look. I'm not going to share how it ended, but, yeah, you gave a bit of a spoiler that it's not completely resolved. Like, think some things are still ongoing.

Dad: I kept it vague.

Isabella: The other thing I just want to mention, and I want to ask your opinion on, this woman that the pastor starts having another affair with as he's, like, still married to this woman who is the the center of the documentary, The woman who's having the affair is married to this disabled guy in a wheelchair. There's an incident that happens where they find him at the bottom of a pool, the guy in the wheelchair, dead.

Dad: Yes. I I kind of thought they just skipped over that.

Isabella: They did not go deep on that. Because I would like to know, I kind of think, of course, I don't know, but I'm kind of thinking that they beep , whether It it was the beep

Dad: was definitely sus, as you just Could be because

Isabella: I don't see him rolling himself into that pool.

Dad: wow. Yes. It was you're speaking at one narrow part, and it was narrow, which was frustrating. It seemed like they could have gone on a whole separate tangent and added two more episodes just to cover that.

Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. So that was weird. The last thing I want to say, maybe I might have said that a couple times, the last thing I want to say. It's frustrating to me how the laws in South Carolina are set up so that if you're being abused by your husband, there's not a whole lot that can be done because it's your husband.

They know that's cover that,

Dad: and I don't know if that's unique to South Carolina or maybe the common thing unless you have a statute like was it in Rhode Island where the husband got in trouble for tracking his own wife. Yeah. I bet you that's not illegal in a lot of states. And yes, it seems archaic. Now, you said you can abuse your spouse.

I don't think that's what they said, was that some of the harassment was Yeah.

Isabella: I'm more

Dad: So yes, I think is illegal in South Carolina whether you're married or not. I'm willing to bet money on that. But yes, harassment texts and phone

Isabella: calls Stocking.

Dad: Tracking and things like that, it does seem still shocking, but they they have a law pending that they're referring to as Mica's Law because we I don't know if you said Mica is the woman that's the center of the show. Yeah. The pastor's wife.

Isabella: Yeah. Who I mean, should we say what happened to her? It kind of was indicated at the very beginning anyway.

Dad: Well, they'll see at the beginning, and it might that might be enough to turn some people off when they watch it. And and just think of the the scope of what we talked about today. We've talked about Gizelle and Porsha scheming and laughing, and now we're talking about a pretty dark documentary.

Isabella: A point

Dad: that your mother makes all the time. Like, Gosh, you guys have a weird viewing choices.

Isabella: No, we do, but that's why we have this show is because we both watch the same stuff. Yeah. Okay. Do we have time for the game?

Dad: Yes. I just want to make one more two more comments. One, for those I've mentioned, the Bravo Docket, they have an interesting take on Teresa claiming that she didn't do anything wrong and she was a victim and that it was just going to a house refinancing and that she was oblivious. They go into great lengths to point out that she's vastly overstating. She knew what was going on.

And then also, I binged most of season five of Trafficked yesterday, and that Mariana van Zeller is a badass. I mean, she is inspiring. The positions that she puts herself in, how dangerous they are, wow. She's a very interesting person.

Isabella: Name of that show is Trafficked with Mariana whatever her name is.

Dad: Yeah, van Zeller, z e l l e r.

Isabella: I think it's like five seasons, and I will say I kind of think she's running out of things to talk about, but she's getting a little bit more niche, which is interesting. Like her first season, it was like, okay, let's investigate the trafficking of cocaine.

Dad: Right.

Isabella: And she would go through different drugs, like I think she did, like, xylazine, and then it went into, okay, trafficking human people, then it went into trafficking body parts. And so it's getting very much niche, Right. But it's a great show. Yep. Yeah.

Dad: Okay. Let's end on a high and happier note. Okay. So we'll do name that Bravalebrity, and you're going to text

Isabella: We're going to make it a little bit more broad this time. Instead of Bravalebrity, it's just going to be reality TV star. So keep in mind, you may see someone that might not be on Bravo.

Dad: Okay. All right. So you're going to text me the first picture.

Isabella: Yes. And I'm also going to tell the audience who it is before you guess. Right. So so you guys are in on it.

Dad: Like, I'm going to be out of the room when you tell them.

Isabella: Yeah. Okay. First up, we have Bronwyn Newport from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Dad: Yeah. Okay. Let's go with this one first. Oh, that's Britani from RHOSLC. That's wait, no, Bronwyn.

Isabella: Okay. There you go. Near failure.

Dad: What? I had BR. I mean, come on. But there

Isabella: is a Britani on RHOSLC, Yes. So

Dad: Yeah. Okay. Next.

Isabella: Next up, we have Scheana Shay from Vanderpump Rules. All right. Let's try this one.

Dad: Okay. That is Vanderpump Rules. She's not on the show anymore. She was maybe at the last one before they did the reboot. Gosh.

I can't think of it, but maybe give me the first letter.

Isabella: S. No.

Dad: But she's married to a guy from Australia. I know that.

Isabella: Do you know his name?

Dad: No. Okay. Who is it?

Isabella: That is Scheana Shay.

Dad: Oh, okay. Okay. Alright. I'm still batting 500.

Isabella: And finally, we have Mayci Neely from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Alright. Now this one I think is gonna be tough.

Dad: Okay. She is from Real Lives of Mormon Wives.

Isabella: Secret Lives of but yeah.

Dad: You Okay. Got Sorry. There's no way in hell I'm gonna remember.

Isabella: I know. Those women are tough.

Dad: I think she's pregnant though, or she was pregnant on

Isabella: the last She was pregnant on the last season. Yeah.

Dad: She was one of several people pregnant on the season. No, I can't remember her name.

Isabella: That is Mayci. Mayci Neely. Yeah. And I bring her up just to get us ready because the new season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is starting on September 10.

Dad: Okay. And like we've said before, wow, that show and RHOSLC, again, there's something weird about Utah, about Park City, about Salt Lake City. I don't know, but those two shows are insane.

Isabella: Well, they're going to be on at about the same time. Okay. So I'm excited.

Dad: We're definitely covering both of those shows.

Isabella: Yeah. I'm very excited for that.

Dad: Okay. Great.

Isabella: So, all right. Awesome. I think that's it.

Dad: Thanks, everyone.

Isabella: Thank you. That's our episode. Thanks for hanging out with us.

Dad: Thanks for listening.

Isabella: If you like the show, leave us a rating or a comment. It helps more than you think. Follow us wherever you're listening and on social media at check me boomer.

Dad: And tell a friend who'd get it.

Isabella: See you next week.