Love Is Blind Boston wraps with the weddings: Blake and Erika walk away over his time at sea, Wilson and Wilnie split before the altar, Aneha tells Cam no after her sister’s plea, and one couple says I do. On RHOSLC, Bronwyn and Angie trade shots over Todd and Shawn, Whitney surprises Lisa with an apology, and Angie repeats Mary’s question about husbands and children right back at her, months after Mary lost her son.
Dad shares thoughts on the Tyson documentary and The Fall of El Mayo, then Dad and Isabella dig into Netflix’s Taken: Natalee Holloway: tabloid covers Isabella remembers from the checkout line, the Aruba investigation, Joran van der Sloot, never-before-seen undercover footage, and the strength of Natalee’s mother, Beth.
On RHOP, Ashley plans a Bethany Beach return, Courtney sees angels and makes prophecies, Wendy cooks spaghetti in a frying pan, and Ray and Karen have a tough sit-down. Matt makes his bosun pitch to Captain Kerry on Below Deck, Sonja and Dorinda clash at the spa on The Golden Life, and RHONY’s Daisy misses Erika’s birthday dinner as she and Sai finally sit down. A father and daughter weekly dish on Bravo and reality TV.
Isabella: Hi. I'm Isabella. My dad is obsessed with reality television, maybe even more so than I am.
Dad: She's not wrong.
Isabella: This is Check Me Boomer, a father daughter weekly dish on the latest reality TV.
Dad: Hi, Isabella.
Isabella: Hey, dad.
Dad: How are you?
Isabella: I'm good. How are you?
Dad: Good. Clemson just won. Great day so far.
Isabella: This is our episode 22.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: Right?
Dad: Yes. We added a new country. I think I failed to mention that India is in there, but also Argentina. So 25 countries. Keep it up, share, like.
Thanks for hanging in there with us.
Isabella: Do we have all the continents yet? Besides Antarctica, of course.
Dad: I don't know, but we did South America. This was the first time in South America, so I'll get back to you next time.
Isabella: Okay. Cool.
Dad: Alright. Where do you want to start?
Isabella: I would like to start... I think let's let's just wrap up Love Is Blind. I don't have a ton to say. It was just the weddings. Yes.
So I will remind you of our predictions, but I'll go I'll go through each couple. We'll start with Blake and Erika, because that's where we picked up. Blake again is boat guy. Our prediction... Or my prediction, I guess.
I don't think you really made a prediction. You just kind of agreed with me.
Dad: Yes. I think I said that I doubted whether any of them would get...
Isabella: Yes. Okay, you did say that.
Dad: Which puts me batting seven fifty.
Isabella: Well, total we are... I'm also batting seven fifty. So I guessed that Blake and Erika were gonna break up, because that's kind of... I mean, it's kind of what seemed to be happening with the cliffhanger. So that was correct.
They did break up. They decided to leave the experiment, but then it it was kind of weird. Neither of them really said, like, we're done. It seems like she's done, though. But, I mean, he said something like, it's just weird that we love each other and we're breaking up.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: But I think the issue there was that they just weren't gonna be spending enough time together, so it just wasn't gonna work.
Dad: Yeah. It's weird that it took a specific charter or transatlantic passage that got him to admit that, look, I'll be there from September to April, or some ridiculous, long amount of time. Yeah. And my guess is that they kind of figured it out, but then they just put them together on a couch and said, like, oh, okay. You need to hash this out for the cameras that you're not gonna stay together.
Isabella: Yeah. I guess so. I mean, it... They did seem to really... Like, they seemed to be compatible in any...
In every other way besides that. So... Yes.
Dad: The one that really matters, spending time together.
Isabella: Right. Well, if he would've just given up his boat stuff, then maybe they could've worked. But clearly he wasn't willing to do that. And I mean, that's his right. He has every right to do that.
So whatever. And then we get to Wilson and Wilnie. And my prediction was that he would say no at the altar. We were wrong there because... Or I was wrong there because they didn't make it to the altar.
But kind of right in the way that I think... I predicted that he was gonna be the one to kind of break it off, and I think he kind of was. He just wasn't giving up on the cooking and cleaning thing. He says that he needs more positive energy out of her, and her argument is, well, I work I work out of the home all day, and I do a lot, and so when I get home, I'm not always going to be in the best of moods right away. And then he finally said he thinks that marriage is not for us, so that was kind of the...
They, of course, broke up.
Dad: Yes. The great news about both couples is it just made the episode a lot easier to deal with. I think in prior seasons, they might have even done two episodes for weddings. So this was just one episode. It made it efficient.
Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. It was... I think you said last time that you don't like the wedding episodes because you don't care about all their buddies and families. Right.
Dad: And they drag it out.
Isabella: Yeah. And they do. You're right. So then we get to Cam and Aneha's wedding, which I did watch the whole wedding for for them.
Dad: Right. I did not fast forward. I didn't even have it at high speed on the web.
Isabella: Well, I personally can't say the same for the following couple, but this one I was interested in because I knew that she had issues with her family. And so I wanted to see, like, maybe someone in her family shows up, and I'm glad that I did not skip through because we did see that
Dad: Her sister.
Isabella: Her sister showed up, and pretty much said that she doesn't think that he's her person. She, her sister, is not gonna be happy if Aneha says yes, and pretty much was like, please don't do this. Like she's telling her sister, like, you don't do this. I'm I'm gonna be upset.
Dad: It was crystal clear. Do you think I should get married? And she said no.
Isabella: Yeah. It it was very clear. But outside of that, I thought Cam's mom is really sweet. He is kind of the only guy on the show that I genuinely do like, even though he's pretty quiet and there's not much to him. I thought his vows were really sweet.
Vows in quotations. So she ended up saying no, which I predicted correctly again. And I think it does come back around to her sister because you could, at least in my mind, I really thought that she wanted to say yes, but she felt like she just couldn't say yes. So, I don't know. Do you agree?
Dad: The only other observation I can think of is that after she said no in front of the audience, she made a big show of holding up her hand and saying, we're still engaged. We're still engaged. Had this really nervous laugh and energy, which I get it. If you said no in front of even that number of people at a wedding, that's gotta be super awkward. But it became pretty clear afterwards that at least he was pushing back and saying, I don't know that we should be together.
Now, who knows where it ends up? We'll wait and see at the reunion, which the previews for the reunion looked pretty, pretty good.
Isabella: Can't say I remember the previews for reunion, but I will say real... I think I texted you this, and I'm not gonna say which couple, but I did see a spoiler on TMZ regarding the reunion.
Dad: Okay.
Isabella: But I think if I say which couple it's regarding, it might give it away a little bit, so I'm not gonna share that, but just know that I've seen something.
Dad: Okay. Well, that's enough or you'll be spoiling it.
Isabella: Okay.
Dad: Okay. So last couple.
Isabella: Well, let me see. What was I gonna say? Oh, yeah. I also kind of wrote down just with Cam and Aneha that it was weird how she was surprised that he was like, I need some time to process. Like, of course you do.
It's weird that you think that's weird.
Dad: Right. She had time to process that she was gonna say no, so he should have time to process how he received it.
Isabella: Yeah. I agree.
Dad: You like how I say received? Like I'm with the program.
Isabella: Yeah. Okay. Sure. Okay. Yeah.
The next couple, I did skip through kind of their entire getting ready period.
Dad: You didn't miss anything.
Isabella: I didn't think I was going to. No. My prediction was that these two were gonna get married, and and they did.
Dad: Right. I I kind of thought if anyone would, but I didn't, like, make it very specific, so I can't really count it. I'm gonna count that as a loss for me.
Isabella: I could have seen it going the other way too. I mean, I could have seen either one of them saying no just for whatever reason, but yeah, I thought out of all the couples, they were the most likely to get married.
Dad: And they did. She seems so familiar to me for some reason. I don't know why.
Isabella: I kind of know what you're talking about.
Dad: I even Googled to see if she had been on another reality TV show before, but I don't think that they let people into the show who've been on others, or at least she hasn't, from what I could find. I think she just reminds me of somebody.
Isabella: Yes. I don't know if it's someone famous, like a celebrity that she's reminding me of, but...
Dad: I don't know. And she's pretty. There's something about when she smiles that's
Isabella: I... Yeah.
Dad: She's not like classic beauty, but there's just something about her smile, which is really good.
Isabella: Yeah.
Dad: That sounded weird, but whatever.
Isabella: A little bit, but hey.
Dad: Really good.
Isabella: Okay. That's all I had to say about that. I'm excited for the reunion. That'll be on tomorrow night. We're recording on Saturday.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: So...
Dad: Okay.
Isabella: I would like to talk about RHOSLC next just because I feel like it really, really ramped up this episode and I have a lot to say. Okay. So do you want to start or do you want to just jump in when you have a thought?
Dad: I'll jump in when... I didn't take many notes, but I do agree that there was a lot going on.
Isabella: Yeah. I mean, I think we know the big thing was the comment from Angie at the end.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: So we'll get there, but we start out with, I mean, Lisa's taking a voice lesson, she also talks about having thyroid issues, but I'm not gonna dwell on that a lot because there's just so much here. I think it's funny how Bronwyn is pissed and she's coming... She's going everywhere in jeans, and she's making that a thing, like when you see me in jeans, just know I'm in a bad mood. I kinda think that's funny. But she is annoyed with Angie for, I guess, stirring the pot and telling her things that she even said she didn't wanna know.
Yes. Whitney is also worked up about Lisa, and she also thinks that Heather's being messy. And so Whitney is skipping this little event that they're having at Kemo Sabe, which... I mean, this is what the third Housewives franchise that Kemo Sabe is making an appearance in? It's like the hat place?
Dad: Yes. In Houston? Is that right?
Isabella: No. In Aspen.
Dad: Oh, that's right. And the Ultimate Girls Trip with... Or no, it was Potomac where they were on a trip and they did it. Yep.
Isabella: And then of course Beverly Hills because that's like Kyle Richards' spot. But it's... This place is always popping up. Okay. Bronwyn is making some indication that she knows about Angie's marital issues from Todd because I guess Todd and Shawn talk.
So Bronwyn's not saying it but she's kind of indicating that, like, oh, well, I've heard things about that too and that is also gonna come up later. Angie's then mad. Bronwyn confronts Angie about being messy and Angie's mad because Bronwyn called her Lisa's soldier. Angie's like, Well, I was just trying to be a good friend. And they kind of get into it at this thing.
And then that's kind of the precursor to later. Then we see Mary talking about... She's talking with Robert Sr. about Robert Jr., which is sad, of course. She's also talking about how she feels like Angie's changed and is acting out. She feels like Angie's not there for her.
She didn't call her after the party where Mary was upset. And then we go over to Angie who... Angie just had a really rough episode overall.
Dad: Oh my gosh. It was in... I almost said insane, but it was intense. Let's just call it that. And then in a rare Watch What Happens Live right after we watched it, and she definitely...
I don't want to take away what thing you're gonna cover, but she does respond to that on the show.
Isabella: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I watched that too. So she could tell she's like
Dad: Mortified.
Isabella: Tail between her legs a little bit.
Dad: Yes. I also think that she's had a lot more work done.
Isabella: She's probably
Dad: And I'm sticking to it.
Isabella: Okay. Okay. Then we get to Quai's reiki healing lunch.
Dad: Before you talk about that, what's with the outfit that she wears in the confessional with the black leather outfit with the black leather hat? It's like one of... It's like the guy from YMCA, the Village People
Isabella: I don't know.
Dad: Cop outfit. I just... What's going on with that?
Isabella: That did not stand out to me. Like, didn't... I was...
Dad: It's not just this episode. It's been on a couple.
Isabella: Well, maybe I'll pay attention to that next time.
Dad: It's weird that I'm paying more attention to fashion than you. I don't know if it's fashion.
Isabella: I don't care about fashion.
Dad: Okay.
Isabella: Like, I guess that might surprise people listening.
Dad: Well, maybe that was sexist of me to say that you would pay attention to or should be paying more attention to it.
Isabella: I mean, not really, but
Dad: Okay. So, Quai.
Isabella: Fair. Anyways, she's having this healing lunch, which, I mean, on Salt Lake City, I feel like we have three of these every season. But we've got Mary and Angie talking a little bit before the lunch. Mary's kind of saying how she feels. Angie's lost. She's like, I didn't know you felt this way.
She's hurt. Mary then comes back with, quote, you got a head of granite. Like, you've got a head of granite.
Dad: Like that rock right there on the ground.
Isabella: Yes.
Dad: I do have to give Angie credit for not immediately fighting back there.
Isabella: Yeah. But not for long. She makes up for it later.
They kind of separate at that moment, I guess, because then we have oh, well, before that, I guess, Bronwyn gets in because Angie's like, Bronwyn, you riled her up. And Angie starts going after Bronwyn calling her a snake, saying, like, oh, you're in the dirt with the snakes and the worms, something like that.
Dad: Yeah. It was name calling instead of responding to what Bronwyn was trying to say. Right. I thought Bronwyn had decent points that she could have at least said... Angie could have said something like, well, I didn't mean it this way, or you're misunderstanding, or whatever, but instead it was just like, You're a snake.
Isabella: Angie just... She wasn't hearing anything for this entire event, I think. But I thought it was funny because Angie's kinda still yelling when the reiki comes up with the drum. I feel like we do have a moment like this on every season of Salt Lake City where they're all yelling at each other and then there's some healer or mystic or medium that comes in and like... I don't know. It's just...
Dad: They always fail.
Isabella: Yeah. They always fail. So she starts doing the ceremony. Lisa and Mary leave the ceremony because I guess for religious re... Oh, well, no.
Lisa says that she's very protective of her energy.
Dad: Right. She doesn't want anyone taking it or getting tainted by someone else's bad energy. I'm not sure that that's how that whole process... I'm not familiar with reiki, but I didn't get that there was gonna be a transfer or something like that. It was just classic.
Yeah. And then Mary was just like, no. No. No. Don't touch me.
Isabella: I think Mary's is probably more religious reasons.
Dad: I could get that, I guess.
Isabella: Yeah. Okay. There were a couple of... I'm just gonna skip forward to their little...
Dad: Little? You mean the giant lunch fiasco?
Isabella: Yeah, their giant blow up. Yes. When they're kind of sitting down at the table and they start talking to each other. So Whitney starts. Whitney says she's mad at Heather for acting different with her than she does with others.
And then Lisa jumps in and says that... Or I guess, Whitney's saying that Heather told her something from Lisa. So Lisa jumps in and says, like, she didn't say anything. She said, I did nothing to you. Whitney surprisingly then is like, you know what, Lisa?
Thank you for being there for me. Thank you for being a good friend to me.
Dad: And I'm sorry.
Isabella: And I'm sorry.
Dad: And it shook Lisa up. She just didn't really know what to say.
Isabella: Lisa was like, oh.
Dad: Oh, okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
Isabella: Okay. Yeah. You're welcome. Okay. And so I guess like they did make up for how long
Dad: For this episode.
Isabella: Yeah, for this episode. So then Angie starts losing her mind on Bronwyn. Quai comes in with a bullhorn trying to shut them up, but it doesn't work at all.
Dad: It was a little air horn, a mini like...
Isabella: Yeah, whatever you call it. But Angie comes back at Bronwyn with the, oh, I heard you're waiting on your $85,000 from Todd if you play nice. I guess she found that out from her husband who talks to Todd often. So this is where Bronwyn is kind of threatening to out what she's not saying objectively, but we kind of know that what she's referring to is Angie's marital issues. She's very much threatening like, oh, you want to talk about what Todd and Shawn talk about.
I could... We could talk... We could go there. We could talk about that.
Dad: And Angie was taunting her, saying like, bring it on. I want... Let's hear it. And Bronwyn just wasn't taking the bait. So that that's not what real... Was that the trigger that caused Angie to have the meltdown?
Isabella: The trigger was that... And Angie did it to herself. Angie mentioned something. Angie said Mary's name while she's arguing with Bronwyn, and I don't remember what the... It was probably like, I know you were talking to Mary, blah blah blah.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: And so that's when Mary jumps in and is like, keep my name out of your mouth. And they start going back and forth, and they lost me a little bit because then Mary's like, you do all these facials and self care and you only care about yourself, blah blah blah. And so Angie... I think what's clear to me is that's an insecurity for Angie, and I think Mary probably knows that, and that's probably a sore spot.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: So that's kind of when Angie freaks out. Mary says, what happened to your husband, to your child? And then Angie repeats exactly what she said, Well, what happened to your husband, to your child?
Dad: And then the camera work was great. They had every single other housewife's reaction to that.
Isabella: As they should.
Dad: It was just like, Uh-oh.
Isabella: I mean, I reacted to that. I was like, Oh. Oh, you can't say that.
Dad: At that point, if Angie had just realized, Okay, I made a mistake of just repeating back to you and didn't take into effect... Or take into consideration that her son had just died, and immediately said, I didn't mean that, but no. She's not listening even to her own words at this point.
Isabella: I think she's seeing absolute red.
Dad: I don't think...
Isabella: 100% that's what your mom said too.
Dad: I don't think she's hearing anything that's...
Isabella: No. No. Because she keeps going. She's screaming like, I can get a facial if I want to, and she's screaming all this self care stuff.
She starts throwing things. Mary starts saying, Oh, she's violent. She's like Jen Shah. Angie just continues to make it worse for herself. They're all coming and trying to say, Angie, it's okay.
Calm down. Even...
Dad: She was so focused on the facial. Of all the self care she keeps referring to, what is it about the facials?
Isabella: Clearly, this is sensitive to her, and I don't know why. But finally, by the end of the episode, when they're getting her into a car, she finally starts crying and she's like, Oh my gosh, I didn't mean what I said. I didn't mean any of it. It's it's clear that it's starting to hit her, that she feels terrible.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: So that's why
Dad: She chases after Mary, and Mary's like, get her away from me. I don't ever want to see her again.
Isabella: I mean, from Mary's point of view, it's completely fair. I don't know... I I could never put myself in Mary's shoes for this kind of thing, but I'm not sure I would ever consider her a friend after that. Even though yeah. It's just tough.
Because clearly Angie's going through a lot too. I mean, we know she's separated now. So I hope these two figure it out. I really do.
Dad: Yeah. It's unfortunate.
Isabella: Yeah. It was sad, but it was a good episode too. Yes. I think it was a really good episode, but I... Yeah.
I hope they figure it out.
Dad: Me too. Alright. You... Let's... Before we get to the other reality shows, you wanna do the documentary?
Isabella: Oh, yeah. Sure.
Dad: Okay. Before we cover the one we we both watched, I have mentioned on the prior episode the Tyson documentary. You said you don't wanna watch it. Yes. He is a convicted rapist.
And I was thinking about this, that watching an... Documentary about someone who is a horrible person doesn't necessarily mean you're glorifying him. There were... It's... It was just an interesting time that I lived through, and there were so many things in the documentary that I'd completely forgotten about how crazy the guy was.
Like, just when you think, okay. It can't be any crazier than him going to prison and getting out and going back to fighting. No. He got crazier. And I don't wanna quote some of the things he said, but it's shocking.
If if anyone wants to watch just to see how someone can spiral, it... For that alone, it's worth it. There were a couple other things that I thought were interesting. At one point, when he did something horrible, I can't remember what it was, at a press conference, the... Or maybe they were talking about when he bit Holyfield's ear in a fight, then...
Which Holyfield had done in a prior fight too, I think, is lost in the in the shuffle that he... It happens sometimes. Bill Clinton was president, they asked him at a press conference or when he's being interviewed by the press, and he says, I I was horrified. And they showed Tyson today saying, really? Look who's talking.
And to think about it, you know, all presidents recently have been responsible for people dying, you know, and wars going on. So for someone to say that they were horrified about two men in a a ring biting an ear, I thought that was a pretty funny comeback from Tyson. He also has done DMT and says that that's how he's calmed himself down and stayed married to this woman for a long time. But they... He convinces the producer of the documentary to do it too.
Right? He asked the doc... He's like, you do it too. He's like, I don't know. And then they do it together.
They show it on camera, which was kind of bizarre. And then the last thing is, I can't decide whether he is incredibly dumb because sometimes he says things that are just so dumb, but other times he says something and put aside where it's coming from, going back to my first point that he's been convicted of rape and has led a horrible life.
Isabella: I just have a question real quick. When... After he was convicted of rape, he still went on to continue to have a career. Right?
Dad: After he served his time in prison. Okay. I think he got... I think he was there for six years or something like that.
Isabella: Well, I'm glad he went to jail for it. The issue I have with some of these documentaries, and I feel the same way about the Charlie Sheen documentary, which I did watch, and I thought it was good for the record. It bothers me sometimes that... And I... Clearly he went to jail, so great.
That that answers my question. But I feel like these these very famous men tend to get away with a lot of things, and that it bothers me.
Dad: I'm sure people think that he should have served more time, but he got prison time. Now I think that they do go to some length to show that he had it pretty easy in there. And then... But then going back to my last point, he says things that come across that made me think, wow. That is really deep, what he said.
So I don't know if it's just like every once in a while someone lucks into saying something that has real meaning to it or if there is something in there that makes him say this. It's just... It's kind of fascinating that he would say something really dumb, but then he would say something like, wow. That... Is it the DMT that has, like, led you to think about things more clearly?
I don't know. Anyway, that's enough about that one. But the one that we... I had a bit of a documentary binge. I also watched The Fall of El Mayo about a Mexican drug cartel. It was
Isabella: Okay.
Dad: So it was interesting. But the the one that we watched, not together at the same time, but the one we both watched, it's on Netflix. It's called Taken: Natalee Holloway.
Isabella: Which I think is pretty big right now. Yes. Like, I think a lot of people have probably heard of it, of of the documentary specifically.
Dad: And do you wanna start since you were young when it was going on and talk about your thoughts about this and living through it?
Isabella: So I I was... This happened in 2005. Correct?
Dad: Yes. It started.
Isabella: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I was seven years old in 2005. I recognized this girl's face and name, and, like, I vaguely recognized the story once they started telling it, and the story is that this group of seniors in high school went on their senior trip to Aruba, and one girl...
They all went out, and one of the girls didn't come back.
Dad: Right. It was on their final night. They're from Mountain Brook outside of Birmingham, I believe.
Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. That's right. So her mom flies straight to Aruba and is there trying to find her. So mom flies down and is looking for her daughter.
You can make the argument that the police didn't do a good enough job, which I mean, I think you can make that argument in a lot of these missing missing person cases. So I don't wanna... There was a little bit of the documentary saying like, oh, well, they don't do it like we do it in America. Like, their police force, They they... And a little bit of it was coming from the mom, which is fair.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: But I just kind of was like, I mean, it seems like they're doing all that they can.
Dad: Yeah. On that point, I thought sometimes they were showing how inept they were, but it's a tiny island and there are not that many people that probably even work in the police department. They're probably
Isabella: They definitely don't have the funding.
Dad: Right. But they made some mistakes, but on other instances, they were showing shock that this... That they hadn't been arrested or that they were released, but they didn't have any evidence in so many ways. Right? There was...
Still at that point, there was no body, so there was no evidence that crime had even been committed.
Isabella: Yeah.
Dad: And one last point on that before I send it back to you. The father, I didn't remember him as having been a judge in training, and that's one of my other comments.
Isabella: The father of the...
Dad: Oh, sorry. The father of the... At one point, the alleged perpetrator, but then eventually the confirmed perpetrator.
Isabella: Yeah.
Dad: His dad was tight with local officials and what is called a judge in training, so they said that he was probably giving him legal advice behind the scenes, and he had access to his son that normally wouldn't be given even when he was in jail.
Isabella: The guy we're talking about, by the way, is the guy who was last seen with Natalee.
Dad: Yes, Joran van der Sloot.
Isabella: Yeah. Van der Sloot. He was also, like, what, 17? He was young too. It's not like he was an old creepy...
Like, they were kinda hanging out with him all night. Yep. But that is who her friends last saw her with.
Dad: That, I think, was the biggest problem was that they, at least according to the mother and some others, that he was known to be kind of a predator on the island, especially of tourists. But the people who worked at the hotel where she was staying said, Oh yeah, of course we know. He's always prowling around here looking for drunk college students, especially from the United States. I don't think I had remembered ever hearing that back when this was going on in real time.
Isabella: Yeah. But I mean, it showed a lot on the documentary about how much this was on the news and how big this was.
Dad: It was insane.
Isabella: Okay. Yeah. So I obviously at that age wasn't really watching the news to that extent, but what I was doing is going to the grocery store with my mom all the time and sitting in the checkout line with all the tabloids and People Magazine and all The Us and what whatever it is, all of those in front of my face. And so they showed a bunch of those tabloids on this documentary, and a lot of them looked very familiar to me.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: Like the one saying that, oh, was she pregnant? Just the craziest
Dad: things... From the National Enquirer.
Isabella: Yeah. Craziest things they were saying about this girl.
Dad: And this goes to a broader point that sometimes you and I talk about current events that I make the point of, these are really big things that are going on. And to me, it's shocking that these stories are not the leading story every single day on the news. And this is a great contrast. Yeah. Epstein is one.
There are a couple wars that might fit in that category. But she was always, if not the leading story, one of the stories, especially on Fox, but on others, was every single night.
Isabella: Well, this is the same year that Hurricane Katrina's happening too, so it's not like there was nothing going on.
Dad: And I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't have been something of interest every night.
Isabella: Yeah. No. Of course.
Dad: But it's so weird in contrast that so many other things that have far bigger implications are not given anything close to it. Okay. That's probably too political, so we'll move on. I do have a comment.
The mom is a beast. I couldn't think of any other way to describe it. There's probably something better, but the fortitude that she had to go down there and stay for so long and stay in front of the camera. She talked about how she would do seven stand up interviews in the morning and seven in the afternoon, and she's constantly going around the island, following up leads, doing things that she and others thought the police should have done. And she probably...
At some point she knows her daughter is not coming back, but she still is strong. She does...
Isabella: She's like a superhero.
Dad: I don't know how anyone can last even when that was going on, and of course they're interviewing her today or currently for the documentary, and she still, of course, has raw emotion over it, but I don't think that I could have made it. But she's just very inspiring.
Isabella: Yeah. I agree. It was... I mean, it was a tough watch. Don't get me wrong.
But
Dad: It was.
Isabella: That was that was the good part of it, I guess.
Dad: Yeah. The end, and this is the part that there are two things...
Isabella: The end was even tougher.
Dad: Yes. Yeah. And there... I don't... I'm sure most people...
Well, I'll tell you this without maybe giving it away. I had lost track of what had gone on. I did know that he was ultimately convicted for killing someone else in Peru, and there's some very interesting unseen undercover footage that had never been shown. And what the mother, Beth is her name, did to try to trap him into getting... To come back to the United States, which didn't work at first, but then ultimately it did work.
And then I had lost track of it to the extent that I didn't even know how it ended given what happened where he was brought back to the United States and ultimately confessed.
Isabella: Yeah. And this is all over the course of fifteen years.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: I mean, I think this all finally ended, and he made his confession in 2020. Right?
Dad: I think it might have been '21, but not too long ago. I do want to follow-up and figure out did they send him back to Peru and is he still in prison? Because his life in prison in Peru was not harsh.
Isabella: Didn't seem to be.
Dad: He got married. They showed him, like... He has kids.
Isabella: Yeah.
Dad: Okay. So it was worth it, I thought. It was just very well done.
Isabella: Yeah. It was a good... Also, I do wanna say, because I mentioned last episode that I was gonna watch The Widower, I swapped out The Widower for this. So that's still coming. I still...
It's on my list. I wanna watch it. So it will be covered at some point.
Dad: We'll cover it. Alright. You wanna go to something lighter? Maybe Potomac?
Isabella: Sure. Yeah.
Dad: And I did take quite a few notes on this one. So they... Early on, they're talking about how Ashley Darby has settled with her ex husband, and they show this headline of... What was her husband's first name? Something Darby.
Isabella: Oh gosh.
Dad: Whatever. It said something
Isabella: The Australian guy.
Dad: Yeah. Yeah. Something about 20,000,000 net worth, and I didn't know whether they were suggesting that that's how much money she got. I don't... I would be shocked if that was her settlement.
Maybe that's what he was worth, but they didn't really go into what amount she got. But then she was talking about buying a beach house or something as an investment property.
Isabella: Yeah. At Bethany Beach, which is the same place that she invited everybody to on season one, I think, where they had the twin beds and...
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: She's also inviting everybody again to, I guess, either go look at places or...
Dad: Right. I... That didn't... They just are setting it up for a future episode.
Isabella: Well, yeah. It's the girls trip. It's gonna be a cast trip.
Dad: Also early on in the episode, Courtney, who is one of the new ladies...
Isabella: I made this note.
Dad: Yes. She talks about how she can see demons and angels and ghosts and dead people.
Isabella: And she makes prophecies.
Dad: Oh, yes. Right.
Isabella: She's a prophet.
Dad: And they did show a very detailed forecast or prophecy that she gave some years ago, which, thank God hasn't happened. It was kind of end of days kind of thing.
Isabella: Oh, like rapture.
Dad: Not quite that, but your devices are gonna stop working and you need to stock up food. She doubled down. She's like, I have seen things that have come true, and it was in front of Ashley and Karen and maybe one other... Maybe it was Robyn. And they were all looking at each other like, what? What?
Isabella: I think Gizelle was there maybe.
Dad: That's... I could be...
Isabella: Because Gizelle is the one who makes the prophecies.
Dad: Their eyeballs were popping out of their heads. Okay. I really thought that that was a lost opportunity because that could have been a time to really dig into that a little bit more. Maybe they're giving her grace as a new housewife or...
Isabella: I don't... I... If someone had said that to me, I'd probably be like, okay.
Dad: Right. But you are not on the show. Yeah. Gizelle, I don't know how she didn't just jump on that. Maybe she's saving that for later.
Isabella: Maybe she is. Yeah. I don't know.
Dad: Bizarre. And then a couple other things. I noticed that Wendy, when she was talking to Eddie about whether they still loved each other, she was cooking, and she started cooking pasta in a frying pan. What?
Isabella: I did not notice that.
Dad: I don't know. Maybe this isn't universal, but I always thought long pasta spaghetti, put it in a deep pan so that it can be more covered with water. Your mother and I looked and she's like, What? We're like, What the f is she doing putting pasta in a shallow pan?
Isabella: Maybe it was already cooked.
Dad: No. You could tell it was still hard spaghetti, like putting it in a... And maybe she just wasn't paying attention. I don't know. So that's pretty narrow. And then Stacey bringing her daughter on some bus to tour DC to discuss the divorce? Awkward. And now they're getting remarried. It's not just awkward, it's gross. It's...
Wow. She is desperate for story time, storylines, and that is just so bad. Her daughter one day is gonna look back and say, mom, really? You put me on TV to do that?
Isabella: Yeah. And
Dad: the daughter is not like... She's young, so she's not really capable of responding in any kind of normal way. She's a child, and it show...
Isabella: She looked a little bit uncomfortable to me too, which just kind of made it harder to watch. Yes. Like, she looked like she didn't really wanna be there. No. So that's what...
And I don't like to see kids like that. No. I like Stacey. I really do. But I I don't really...
I don't think I love her her solo scenes at all. Like, I didn't even write that down because I was like, I'm bored. This is boring. Let's get to the let's get to the real stuff. I like Stacey when she's interacting with the other women, but when she's kind of just with her husband, I'm like, okay.
Yeah. Other than that, I kind of thought this episode, like not a not a ton happened in this episode.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: We saw it like it was a lot of like conversations that I feel like are setting up for something maybe. We saw Tia was talking to her mom. Her mom wants her to forgive her husband, which I'm kind of sensing she's gonna do, even though she's not really... It it doesn't mean she's okay with it, but I am... I'm getting the feeling that she's not gonna leave him.
So... Yeah. We saw the weddy weddy Wendy and Eddie conversation. They do still love each other, I guess. She seemed a little bit more iffy about it than he did.
Dad: Right. Her... She took a lot longer to answer, yes, I still love you. At least that's the way they showed it. Right? They might have exaggerated that a little bit, but he did say, like, it took you a while to say yes.
Isabella: Yeah. He did. Which, I mean, this is speculation. I'm thinking that maybe their lawsuit, he's probably the one who's more... I think he kind of even indicated that, that he maybe got her involved in something that she wasn't aware of, and she maybe...
I think he was maybe the one that was...
Dad: Could be.
Isabella: We don't know. It's speculation.
Dad: There is some comment in the show where it makes it seem... They're at a dinner towards the end where she's definitely... He's definitely making it sound like he had more to do about it or with it. But I'm not suggesting that this is what's happening, but I could see if a husband and wife are both in the crosshairs. One might decide, like, I'm going to take the fall so that we both don't.
Like, one stays home to watch the kids. And also, if they ever were going to get divorced, getting divorced during a criminal proceeding would not be smart because there are privileges that apply to what you say with your husband and wife that can't be put out there. I don't know if that goes back in time. It's been too long since I looked at it, but...
Isabella: Yeah. I don't know. I'm just going off vibes. Yeah. Like, what I...
Like, body language and, like, what I'm seeing. And just the fact that she took a little bit longer to answer that question, I'm like, okay, something shifted here.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: Okay. Then we have... Oh, Courtney got some bad fertility news, which is sad. I don't know if they're gonna do IVF or whatever, but I'm sure that'll be a storyline that will continue. Then we have the Ray and Karen sit down.
Ray... I mean, they're kind of going back and forth. I guess they never really see each other, and his point is saying, I don't even really know when you're ever available, like when you're around. He says non sober Karen was more fun, which is kind of tough. Yes.
I mean, yeah. Probably a thing you shouldn't say, but...
Dad: Certainly not on camera.
Isabella: Yeah. What did he say then?
Dad: They... It was something along the lines of, I don't even know who you are, and she said, You don't know me. It was kind of odd.
Isabella: He said that he... Oh, this was weird. He said he almost canceled the wedding because she was drinking too much. Like, their original wedding.
Dad: Yeah.
Isabella: So that was something that came out.
Dad: Probably a surprise to her too.
Isabella: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you said she says he doesn't know her. The way that ended is like, she said she doesn't really know what the future holds for them. So weird conversation. And then we get...
I guess we end with this Tia and Wendy double date where Wendy's kind of grilling Tia and her husband.
Dad: Oh, yeah.
Isabella: I kind of love that from Wendy. It's a little bit... Like, she's taking notes out of Gizelle's book.
Dad: But Tia did have a good response in her confessional, like, this is a great technique. If you want the spotlight not on you, then focus it on someone else.
Isabella: Yeah. That's a good point. It's a good point. Tia's husband did say, like, it's not their best moment. Like, he says, there was no actual infidelity, but what I thought was weird was that she travels without him, like, all the time.
Like, she goes to Europe without him. So he's left home alone a lot, it seems.
Dad: I don't think you're suggesting that that would justify him getting on dating apps.
Isabella: No. I'm indicating that he had a lot of time to mess around with her not home. I'm not saying he for sure did, but the way that she's saying that, I'm like, okay, so maybe there was something happening. Wendy is interrogating... I said that already. That she's interrogating them.
And it is awkward among all four of them, but it does end pretty well.
Dad: I thought so.
Isabella: Eddie is saying... I guess they're kind of asking her about the lawsuit too. This is when Eddie says that Wendy did nothing wrong.
Dad: I don't know that he was that explicit. It was more of... Maybe not... It was still opaque. He said something that could certainly be interpreted as I really did things, but he never said that she was without blame.
Isabella: Yeah. I think, well, you know, my notes I'm probably summarizing. But, yeah, I think the broader point was, at least what I took away from that, is that he even kind of admits that he's the one that's more at fault here.
Dad: Could be.
Isabella: So we'll see what happens there. Point, I guess. Okay. What do we have left?
Dad: I think just RHONY, unless we also wanna cover Below Deck, but I didn't... I don't have notes for either.
Isabella: RHONY, Below Deck, and The Golden Life.
Dad: Oh, that's right. Okay.
Isabella: So let's start with Below Deck. Okay. I had a little bit more to say this episode. I think I also want to go back to a couple episodes ago. You had asked me which one of the deckhands is asking like he wants to...
Or is acting like he wants to take over.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: And I'm pretty sure I said James, and I think I was wrong. Okay. Because now we've seen that Matt is going to Captain Kerry and saying, hey, I've been bosun before, if you wanna have me do it instead.
Dad: Right. Right.
Isabella: So I think I was wrong on that episode. I wanna correct that.
Dad: You're forgiven.
Isabella: I think that Matt... And who knows, maybe James was acting like that the first episode, but clearly now Matt is the one who is doing that. We have this... They gave a girl allergic to strawberry jam, or allergic to strawberries strawberry jam, which is not great. I also wrote down that Kaylee definitely likes Matt way too much.
Way too much. It's gonna end badly for her. And then... Oh, the guests are upset because they asked for glass noodles, and the chef did not make them glass noodles and then he showed up in a dirty t shirt and someone had to tell Fraser about the noodles to go make them and it's just the team doesn't... Like, the crew doesn't seem like they've got it all together completely.
No. No. But they're getting massive tips still. So I guess, sure. And then the couple things that are happening before the before the end of the episode when this charter leaves is Rainbeau is really weirdly asking Matt to sit next to her at dinner.
Weird. But Kaylee is also being very dramatic about it. So I think it's weird on both ends.
Dad: Yep.
Isabella: And then the cliffhanger is this drunk English guy is trying to fight them. He's saying weird things to the women. And I think that pretty much the last thing we see is Moe, Chef Moe, pulling out his belt. So I don't think he's gonna beat this guy up in the next episode because that's not... You can't do that on these shows.
Dad: You can't do it and stay on the show.
Isabella: Yeah. I mean, it's also illegal. Assault assault and battery is illegal.
Dad: In every country.
Isabella: Yep. So that... There's that too. But that's how the episode ends. So we'll see.
Dad: Okay. How about The Golden Life?
Isabella: Okay. Sure. Yeah. Because I think that one was not as good as RHONY.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: We've got Dorinda talking about how she thinks that Sonja only likes to be with Ramona and Luann, which I think is kinda true. Kelly is mentioning that... Oh, she's saying Sonja reminds her of Bethenny on Scary Island just being, I guess, just being crazy.
Dad: If anyone was crazy on Scary Island, it was Kelly. I'm shocked that she's bringing up Scary Island. That's something that I would repress. That's a memory I would not want to remind the audience about.
Isabella: Honestly, it's like... It's probably the first note I've made about Kelly. So... And I think maybe Kelly even knows that her biggest moment was Scary Island. So maybe she's...
Maybe this is strategic from Kelly.
Dad: Could be. I don't know. Okay. Maybe.
Isabella: Yeah. Okay. And then we have Sonja and Dorinda, who are not really getting along the best right now. They meet at a spa. Sonja's spewing all this stuff, like Luann's boyfriend Michael is married, and Luann actually met him when he was with his wife.
And Dorinda, you might have to bleep this, Dorinda is...
Dad: Yep. She said that on a podcast or something. Or no, on her live show.
Isabella: Yeah. Well, Sonja's saying this to her face. Right. She then starts talking about her ex, Mr. Morgan, and how he died, I guess, recently.
She then goes into talking about Dorinda's ex husband, Richard, who died. Dorinda eventually was like, Sonja, can you please get help? I'm worried about you.
Dad: You left out that she brought up again, you didn't invite me to Blue Stone Manor.
Isabella: Yep, that was the other one.
Dad: And I lost money because I wasn't on the show.
Isabella: I wasn't filming. You took money out of my daughter's mouth.
Dad: Right. Like, let it go.
Isabella: Yeah, Dorinda's like, please get help. You're still mad about stuff from over ten years ago. It's it's bizarre.
Dad: I I gotta give credit to Dorinda. I don't know what she's done, but she's zen. Right? She's just like, oh gosh. You are living in the past.
I'm going to leave. I feel sorry for you. You need to get help. And then the people have heard this outside of the spa treatment room, and Dorinda just walks out and she just kind of laughs. She's like, I had a great time.
It was really nice.
Isabella: I'm sure that was an interesting day for the spa people.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: Okay. Then they had this photoshoot for some magazine that I think Ramona organized. I mean, Ramona seems to be really organizing most of the events here. What's funny about this though is this woman sits down and starts getting her makeup done next to Ramona. And Ramona's like, who is this and why is she here?
It turns out to be the same woman who walked into Dorinda or Ramona's, like, trunk party.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: And who Ramona...
Dad: Kicked out.
Isabella: Kicked out, like, chastised for not knowing her. It's the same woman. Turns out this woman is the stylist for this photoshoot, but Ramona is still like, Who is this person? Why is she getting glam? Oh, you're the stylist?
I still don't understand why you're getting glam then. This is a photoshoot for us, not for you.
Dad: And then she kicked her out of a picture.
Isabella: Yeah. She jumped in the... And and the photographer was the one who was like, hey, do you want to get in this photo? And Ramona's like, no. We don't want her in the photo.
It's just it's a lot from Ramona, but it's kind of funny too. And then I guess Ramona and Sonja have a flight to catch to Paris, which I'm pretty sure is this brand deal that they're doing with Bethenny. I'm pretty sure they're meeting Bethenny in Paris.
Dad: Oh, they said that on the episode.
Isabella: Oh, they did?
Dad: Yes. Because that caused... Sonja or someone else got really upset, like, I can't believe you're going to be with Bethenny. Right.
Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. So maybe they didn't say it. Like, I guess...
Dad: They said...
Isabella: Ramona and...
Dad: They definitely said it was a brand deal because Sonja said over and over, multi million dollar deal, which is I'm sure not for her, you know, it's somebody else.
Isabella: Sonja's going.
Dad: Right, but she's not getting multi millions of dollars.
Isabella: Okay, okay. Yeah. Well, Sonja gets upset because Ramona was picked up by a car and they didn't, Sonja didn't come, but I mean, I think Sonja very well could have hopped in that car, she just wasn't ready. And Ramona, to her credit, was like, Sonja's never ready to go. She's always lagging behind and I'm not gonna miss my flight.
Right. Good for her. Yeah. Good for her for that. I probably would've done the last thing.
Would've been like, if you're not coming right now, then you're not coming with me at all. And then at the end, we've got Dorinda appearing in Luann's final cabaret show or at least of her tour.
Dad: In Fort Lauderdale, yeah.
Isabella: Yeah, in Fort Lauderdale. I thought it was funny that she wants absolutely nothing to do with these cue cards that she's given. She's like, I'm good. I'm good on that.
Dad: I do a daily radio show. I know what I'm doing.
Isabella: That's how the episode ended was with the show.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: I thought it was not a great episode all around.
Dad: It was okay. Whatever. But you thought it was better than RHONY?
Isabella: No. I thought RHONY was better than this.
Dad: Okay. Okay. Let's do it. Let's end on RHONY.
Isabella: I think how we ended last episode was they were at Erin's party.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: Sai and Daisy were going at it.
Dad: Yep.
Isabella: So Sai is at a lunch or whatever with Jessel. She's telling her about how she and Daisy have had a falling out in the past, that she's been like...
Dad: Too much of a complainer.
Isabella: Yeah. Yeah. And then Jessel is also talking about how she and Pavit are having issues. I mean, my god, all of these shows, they're all having marital issues. Like every single one of them.
I guess they're not communicating enough. She says she needs more from him, from his career wise and just generally. So I will, I don't know. There's a girl heckling Carole in the street for the Epstein files. She's walking with Erin.
Erin almost chases this person down.
Dad: Right.
Isabella: We find out... Oh, Daisy's sister makes an appearance, and we find out that her 52 year old sister left her husband. Daisy repeats it over and over again. Her physician, doctor, husband, or whatever, for a 28 year old firefighter?
Dad: I guess the heart wants what the heart wants.
Isabella: Yeah. So Daisy and Sai to this point still have not spoken. Then we go over to Erika and Ankur. They got a surrogate. They seem really happy about... I like them as a couple.
Like, what I've seen from them so far, they seem pretty... I know they're billionaires, but they seem pretty normal to me.
Dad: He just struck me as incredibly young. Right? I I thought he was like 15. Obviously, I'm exaggerating. Yeah.
I was just like, wait. There's... He's definitely... He seems much younger than her, not that she's old.
Isabella: Yeah. Well... She's 35, I think. We could look it up.
Dad: I'm pretty sure I heard her say I'm 35 at one point in the show.
Isabella: Let me just see because now I'm curious. Ankur... He's 36.
Dad: Okay. He just seems young.
Isabella: He does have a young looking face.
Dad: Yep. And demeanor.
Isabella: Yeah. But I like them. I I really I really do think they seem sweet. And then we've got Daisy's animal rescue event and Erika's birthday dinner on the same night. And Daisy was not invited to Erika's birthday dinner.
Now could you say that maybe Erika did that because she knew that Daisy had this event? Sure, but you usually want to be invited regardless. And I kind of think that Erika did that on purpose after all the...
Dad: Complaining about the decor and Moskito Island. Yeah.
Isabella: Yes.
Dad: I wouldn't blame her.
Isabella: Yeah. Daisy's very hurt by it, but I don't really know why. I mean, I think it's kind of deserved. Erin's at Daisy's event, but she's being shady in the confessional and saying, like, oh, guess I'll stick by the loser. Daisy's not gonna like that.
No. And then, I guess they have some other event the day after that.
Dad: Yes.
Isabella: Do you remember what that was?
Dad: I don't. I remember seeing it, but I can't remember what or where. It was at some sort of restaurant or something.
Isabella: Yeah. It was the very beginning of this event, so I'm sure the next episode's gonna start there too. But everyone's talking about Erika's party in front of Daisy, and I don't like Daisy. Like, she's kind of the worst one on this show right now, but I felt bad.
Dad: She did say she had FOMO. Uh-huh.
Isabella: I just... I don't like it when people talk about something that everyone except for one person has been involved in. It's... It makes me sad. But I don't know.
And then... Oh, this is where we're gonna pick up next episode is Daisy and Sai are about to sit down to speak. And that's where we end.
Dad: Can't wait to see what happens.
Isabella: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I hope they figure it out because they've been friends for a while too, but I also hope that there's a bit of a blow up before they figure it out.
Dad: Yep.
Isabella: Yep. Because that's good TV. Southern Charm starts this week.
Dad: Okay. I have a lot of travel, but I will do my best to watch all of these while I'm out.
Isabella: Yeah. I think next week we might be remote. It might be the first week that you are away. Right. So we apologize in advance for any potential audio issues. Hopefully not, though.
Dad: Those are all me, not you.
Isabella: Well, I mean.
Dad: It's producing. Anyway, thanks everyone for being with us. Like and share and...
Isabella: One more thing. I also have on my list Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Orange County. I'm not sure if I'm into that. If anybody thinks we should watch that, send me a message and say yes. Watch that.
Dad: Okay. I don't even know what that is.
Isabella: I'm not sure if we are gonna watch that
Dad: Okay.
Isabella: As of now. But thanks again for listening.
Dad: Yep. Thanks everyone.
Isabella: That's our episode. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Dad: Thanks for listening.
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Isabella: See you next week.